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Old 07-17-2004, 11:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I heard a long time ago that the 1 true way to go hell is to committ suicide. Can anyone refer me to which book of the bible might straighten me out on this? And has anyone else heard this same thing?
 
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Old 07-18-2004, 06:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting yet scarey. I have sometimes wondered about this same thing SS and looked into it with great interest.

First of all, suicide would break the seventh Commandment on Thou Shalt Not Kill. This includes yourself as you are no exception to God's Laws. In killing yourself, you have committed a grave sin and since your dead, there would be no way for you to confess this sin and repent for it which you would have to do if your goal is to make it to Heaven.

After doing alittle research, I found this....


What does the Bible say about suicide?





"Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried in his father's tomb." 2 Samuel 17:23

Is suicide the unpardonable sin, or does God forgive suicide? These questions have troubled the hearts of those who struggle with the temptation to end their lives and those who are left behind when a friend or family member chooses to take his or her life.
As we look at this most sensitive subject that exposes our most intimate thoughts and feelings, we realize that the subject of suicide affects those who do not profess to know Christ as Savior and many believers as well.
Although the word suicide is never used in the Bible, there are several direct references to people killing themselves, and by definition, that is suicide. In 1 Kings 16:18, there is reference to Zimri, who reigned for a few days over Israel and then died in a fire that he started in his home. He was about to be overthrown and could not cope with defeat. Abimelech, the son of Jerubbaal, committed assisted suicide (Judges 9:53-54) rather than have it said that he died at the hands of a woman. Saul fell on his sword after losing a battle against the Philistines. When his armorbearer saw that Saul had killed himself, he followed in like manner (1 Samuel 31:4-5; 1 Chronicles 10:4-5). When he stopped allowing God to direct his life, Samson lost his unbelievable strength and suffered humiliation at the hands of the Philistines. Unable to tolerate the ridicule and the reality of his failure, in one final act of strength, Samson pulled the pillars down on himself and thousands of his captors (Judges 16:25-30).
The inability to cope with failure. The inability to deal with relationships. The perceived loss of position or status. The unbearable pain of humiliation and a meaningless life. These were some of the reasons given for those who committed suicide during biblical times. A closer examination of the alarming number of suicides today reveals five motivating factors: (1) a cause that a person is committed to; (2) a pact between two or more people; (3) feelings of meaninglessness; (4) circumstances that overwhelm an individual; and (5) an extended illness involving intractable or unrelenting pain (note the growing debate regarding assisted suicide).
No matter what mode of suicide a person chooses, if we were to somehow explore the thoughts of those who have committed suicide (or are contemplating it), I believe that we would find one of these five motivating factors. The death certificate may list drug overdose or gunshot wound as the cause of death; yet the underlying cause often is never discovered because of the self-imposed isolation that most people experience prior to their suicide. We see the result on the coroner's report, but the true cause can usually be found within the list of these motivating factors.
Over the last ten to fifteen years, we have watched the results of suicides stemming from adherence to a cause. This has been portrayed in grim detail in the media in the suicides carried out in bombings in the Middle East when a soldier storms a building with a truck laden with explosives. The murder of hundreds of soldiers was an honorable deed for the one who killed himself in the truck that slammed into the army barracks. To die for such a cause is noble for one who considers the cause life's motivation.
The pictures of Guyana and the hundreds of bodies strewn across the ground were grim reminders that pacts between individuals can have tragic consequences. The followers of Jim Jones had a pact, and it resulted in their mass suicide.
A major cause of suicide is the despair of living without meaning or purpose. In a world overwhelmed with violence, divorce, homelessness, AIDS, and drug abuse, it is too often the norm to live life bouncing around without anything to hang on to that would give meaning and security to an otherwise lonely existence.
In his book Fatal Choice, John Q. Baucom states that of all the suicides committed by teenagers in 1984, 80 percent had alcohol in their systems: "Suicide is the second leading cause of death among teenagers. It is estimated that approximately 6,000 adolescents will take their lives annually . . . During the past 25 years the teenage rate has tripled. One report indicates that nearly 12 percent of all school children will experience serious suicidal ideation at least once."

We need to consider the reasons why suicide is wrong and why it is not the way to avoid painful circumstances. As an act of rebellion, suicide is a sin against God. These are some of the reasons why suicide is wrong:
  • It violates the Ten Commandments.
  • Nowhere does the Bible condone a person ending life to escape circumstances.
  • Life is a gift from God.
  • Suicide is an expression of self-hatred, and the Bible says we are to "love our neighbors as ourselves."
  • Suicide usurps the power that belongs only to God.
  • A person who commits suicide short-circuits God's will for his or her life.
  • It is an expression of lack of faith. Philippians 4:19 states, "My God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus."
  • This applies to financial needs and emotional and physical needs.
  • Suicide is an act of selfishness.
  • It hurts the cause of Christ.





"The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. The LORD is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the LORD delivers him out of them all. He guards all his bones; not one of them is broken" (Psalm 34:17-20).
















Suicide is not the answer to life's pain, whether it be physical, mental, or emotional. Christ is the answer and in Him alone will we find healing from the problems that ultimately cause a person to end life before God has chosen to do so.













"Do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body." 1 Corinthians 6:19-20






There is more to this article which can be found Here...


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And look up Matthew 5:21 as well.










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wow! Thank you for the extensive research newt, it is greatly appreciated. The reason I asked this question is because about a month ago I had a cousin who was a "High Councilman" in the Mormon Church that jumped from the 19th Floor of the Grand Hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah. He landed on the 4th floor roof. He was a great guy. The LAST person you'd expect to do something like this. He had a great job, big house ,nice cars, and a wonderful family. It just put our whole family in shock.
 
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Old 07-18-2004, 09:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I have dealt with this subject several times before and with people I knew who committed this tragic act and they dont realise the hurt they bring on people, not just theirselves. So many questions and so few answers.
It is especially sad when this sin is upon a child and I have known a couple kids who succumbed to this.
My girlfriends mother took her life after several attempts many years ago around Christmas time and it changed my life literally. I spent the next 6 years trying to make my girlfriend happy and finally did when we split up.
Suicide is a terrible thing and I pray for those who even contemplate it, that God will touch their lives in a way that they never think of it again.
Sorry to hear of your friend doing this. I know it hurts bud.

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Thanks newt..I have also dealt with other people attempting it and talking about it. But with my cousin's husband(he's the one that jumped) it is different than the others. I am actually mad at him for jumpimg. he left my cousin and their kids and the rest of his family in a great deal of financial turmoil. And this is the 2nd time that I know of that he has "left" my cousin. They divorced once and re-married and now he does this. He was a guy that I actually looked up to. I am just so mad at him!:!(
 
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Thank you Newt. I was waiting for one or other reply on this one. Belinda had two colleagues who commited suicide. The one was only 21. It was 5 years ago since David died and it still hurts me.
It was a couple of months after we left South Africa. The questions still is the big ''what if''
We knew his circumstances and that he was very troubled at times. What if we did this or that. He was a wonderful man but parents, new bankmanager, the list can go on and on forced him to see no way out. I do pray that God in His great mercy took care of him.

Thank you for asking this question SS.

Sometimes people keeps on hurting one onother so much. Making life so difficult that the person who commits suicide has no other way out. They can't think clear anymore. Don't you think that is also a sin?
I find this very difficult. I do not want to judge.

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My real father committed suicide when I was 4 years old. I don't believe he was a christian. It is so sad when life hurts so bad that you want to take it. My real father was a member of the California hells angels back when they were very dangerous. He tried to leave and they beat him up really bad. I believe it was shortly after that, he committed suicide. So sad
 
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Wow, sorry to hear that jt. Does it still bothers you from time to time? Im sure it must.
Suicide is never ever anything anybody should think about and I pray that God helps those in dire need of it who contemplate this way out of the life God so graciously gave us.

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oh! Jt i'm so sorry!

I don't know how i would deal with something like that, i have just set back and followed this thread because i have been blessed in this issue as i have not really had anyone near me that has done this.

God Bless you Jt and your family.
 
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Old 07-20-2004, 09:11 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I was only 4 when it happened so I never knew him. What bothers me most, is that he died not knowing the Lord, but of course I can't know that for sure It does give me great comfort however, knowing God's plans are always perfect. I do trust Him with these tough questions, such a "suicide".


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