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Old 04-01-2005, 07:28 AM   #31 (permalink)
 
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Just keep strong with it, and I will be praying for you
 
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Old 04-01-2005, 10:18 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 11-02-2005, 06:24 PM   #33 (permalink)
 
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I know this is an older post, but I felt led to shine some light on this topic. I am mainl going to comment on the other side of suicide. suicide is normally a result of a major "true" depression. there are 2 kinds of depression there is the one kind that is basically just a really bad mood, this is the loose version for depression. then there is the true depression, one that is more than just a bad mood, it is a chemical embalance that you have no control over, on your own, you need to get help before it is too late. When someone committs suicide, it is not our place to judge on whether they will go to hell. this depends on if they are just mad and on the spur-of-the-moment, they committ suicide, or if it is do to a chemical embalance. I know, I am a devout christian who was raised in church my whole life, yet when i had a chemical embalance, i was 99.9% ready to committ suicide.
Please do not take this next comment the wrong way, but untill you have went through a "true" depression please do not judge people or make the comment to them, "oh just snap out of it" this is the worse comment you can ever make to someone going through a "true" depression. I do not wish a "true" depression on anyone, but I think everyone should have to live through a "true" depression for 2 days, just so they can see there is more to it. It is a very hard thing to deal with, sometimes you realize what you are doing, but because of the chemical embalance it is out of your control. and then there are days you don't care.
I hope and pray this makes sense, if you want to email me, feel free to, if you would like to chat on this, please let me know, we can do it via yahoo messenger or the text messenger thing on here. God bless you, all.
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Maybe this will help to clear up my thoughts on this.

I have heard it taught as well. The person who commits suicide is;
1) destroying the temple that GOD has made.
2) playing GOD and deciding if this person (himself/herself) should live or die. Whether they are of value or not.
3) not being a good steward of the gift that GOD has entrusted them with. Not returning and multiplying that gift.
4) not using the gift of their life for GOD's glory.
5) not able to bring glory to GOD through their actions.

All of this is of course true. The question is why was this issue never addressed directly in scripture? Is suicide a modern thing? No! Historically it has almost always been around. Thus one "might" conclude that judgment on the issue is not left up to us. One of course is correct on that. Ultimately only GOD knows but we look at it and draw conclusions based on the other concepts revealed in scripture. It looks apparent that one would be condemning themselves to Hell by the act of suicide but that simply is not our call. All we as outsiders are called to do is to ask GOD to have mercy on their souls and to provide comfort for their survivors.
 
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:20 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info, and also for those that have chosen to share their painful story. I just went through this with a family member 3 weeks ago and in part why I haven't been here much lately. The person, by God's intervention, did not succeed and now today is dealing effectively with the pain that was being suffered. Hard to talk now about it since it takes more energy than I have. But know how much I appreciate each of you especially with this difficult subject.

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This is another topic, we need to keep up front so to say, I feel with gas prices skyrocketing and wages not going up to match it, that suicide will become more popular, I hope and pray it doesn't, but just have a feeling it is. I am going to pray that God will bless anyone who is contemplating suicide and also ask them to talk to their close friends or someone to help them get over the urge. I feel this is my calling, because I had went through it at one time and it is scary.
 
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Old 06-07-2008, 02:45 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Old 06-07-2008, 10:06 PM   #37 (permalink)
 
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This was good even on the reread...thanks for bringing it upfront Rick.
 
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Old 06-08-2008, 12:53 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Old 07-03-2008, 02:19 PM   #39 (permalink)
 
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You know . . . A lot of things can be said about this thing, yet I personally can't be too . . . dogmatic about it all.

And yes, I believe this should be brought up, especially with economy lately. This has crossed my mind, that many will begin thinking of suicide because of the economy. Especially men, who may believe or have been taught that if they cannot make lots of money to be wealthy then they are worthless . .

But you know, I don't think I've said it many times, but growing up I tried to commit suicide more times than I can count. God stopped the effects each time, and the last time made very clear that HE was the one to say when I die, not me . . . and until that day I have work to do for the Lord.

You know, if a soldier throws himself on a grenade to save the lives of his fellow soldiers . . . is that suicide? The Lord Jesus knew He was going to die on the cross . . . did He commit suicide because He let it happen? . . . no. Those are SACRIFICES . . . laying your life down, for others. A big difference there, right?

The Word says those who mess with this temple of the Holy Spirit, will be condemned . . . But . . . I think we keep complicating a simple thing:

Any lost soul who commits suicide . . . where does he/she go? To Hell. Why? Because of suicide, no. Because they chose not to give their life to Christ Jesus.

Any Christian who commits suicide now . . . THAT is the question. Not if suicide will send someone to hell, because what sends people to hell is the lack of walking through the door that leads to the heavenly Father (Jesus)

If a Christian commits suicide . . . The Lord in His Word tells us to do so many things, and none of them are to end your life. Rather to live it for Him, to work for Him while in this earth, and so forth. Committing suicide . . . is at the least, refusal to obey the Lord. Disobedience . . .

So that brings the question of, Does God automatically forgive someone of their disobedience, sin, selfishness, etc. if they died before having a chance to ask Him for forgiveness and work on not doing it again? Does the Blood of Christ automatically cleanse you of sin that you've not had the chance to ask for forgiveness? Remembering also that sin cannot be in the presence of God the Father in heaven, which is why we need Jesus to cleanse us of it so we can indeed live with the Father. This is a question I've often wondered myself.

To be safe though, we should live for the Lord fully. Do not even try such a risky thing as suicide, because there is no "oops, I'm sorry" or any going back to change your mind afterward.
 
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:41 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Not trying to stir up controversy, but when you said, "If a Christian commits suicide . . . The Lord in His Word tells us to do so many things, and none of them are to end your life. Rather to live it for Him, to work for Him while in this earth, and so forth. Committing suicide . . . is at the least, refusal to obey the Lord. Disobedience . . ." will cause a person to go to hell. I have been doing a lot of studying on this for years, and the conclusion I came to, it is according to the frame of mind of the person who committed suicide. In this, there are chemical embalances that are out of the persons control, that can send a person into a suicidal state, that they can not control. If we say that a person who commits suicide is refusing to obey God, then we are actually passing judgement on them. We do not know the whole situation and what causes a person to get into that state. This will be up to God to decide, because He knows the person as a whole and if they caused it by being disobedient or if it was caused by a chemical embalance that was out of their control. I hope and pray this makes sense. God bless you all.

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